general problems of the 2017 Ford Expedition - part 1

My 2017 Ford Expedition is currently at an authorized dealership (arlington heights Ford, IL) for a failed transmission lead frame (dtcs p0706, p0707, p1702), which causes intermittent loss of gear engagement and sudden shift issues. This specific part is subject to NHTSA engineering analysis ea26001. Ford is refusing to honor the 10-year/150000-mile extended coverage (program 19n01 supplement 4) and a separate safety recall (25s37 for brake master cylinder) because the vehicle was originally manufactured for canadian market. Despite the vehicle being in a u. S. Facility, Ford claims a 'system limitation' prevents them from bridging the VIN for these safety repairs. This is a formal refusal to remedy a documented safety defect that puts the driver and the public at risk of unintended downshifting and loss of braking power. ".

In March, 2024, as part of a mandatory Ford and NHTSA safety recall for a leaking master cylinder, we had our Ford Expedition serviced at lugoff Ford, lugoff, SC to replace the faulty brake parts. Ford recall reference: 22s11/22s11d - NHTSA reference: 22v-150. At the time of the recall and replacement there was no indication of the master cylinder leaking. On [xxx] our brakes failed on a trip necessitating an emergency brake repair. The servicing shop found evidence that the master cylinder had failed, leaking brake fluid - the exact safety issue that the recall and repair in March 2024 was to fix. We are formally reporting this incident as a potential failure of a manufacturer's recall remedy. That a Ford-mandated safety repair failed in this manner indicates that the replacement parts or the repair procedures specified in the recall campaign are highly likely to be inadequate. This poses a significant risk to the thousands of other Ford Expedition owners who have had this recall service performed, as they may be unknowingly operating vehicles with a latent defect. We urge you to investigate the effectiveness of this recall and determine if other owners have experienced similar premature failures post-repair. This situation is unacceptable. A safety recall should increase a vehicle owner's confidence in their vehicle, not introduce a new failure point. We trusted Ford to correct a known defect, and that trust was broken. Repair due to recall miles: approx 150,000 failure of brake system due to replaced part failure: approx 163,000 information redacted pursuant to the freedom of information act (foia), 5 u. S. C. 552(b)(6).

My wife was driving the vehicle. While attempting to stop, the brakes failed. The brake warning light came on and alarmed. She was not able to stop safely without using the parking brake. Brake fluid was gone and completely drained into the brake booster. My family was completely at risk. Thankfully there were no injuries or damage. The vehicle was towed to a Ford dealership. The dealership diagnosed it as brake fluid pumping from brake cylinder into brake booster.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic); however, the part to do the recall repair was unavailable. The contact stated that the manufacturer exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The contact stated that the brake fluid would reduce to empty within 10 minutes of adding brake fluid. When pressing the brake pedal, there is a reduction in pedal pressure, and the vehicle decelerates slowly. The dealer was contacted. The manufacturer was made aware of the issue. The manufacturer referred the contact to the NHTSA hotline to file a safety complaint. The contact had not experienced a failure mileage was approximately 135,000.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic); however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that while driving at an undisclosed speed, the brake pedal felt loose. A message regard the brake fluid level was displayed on the instrument panel. In addition, upon further notice, an abnormal oil consumption was noticed, and white smoke was coming from the exhaust when the vehicle was started. The local dealer was contacted. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was made aware of the failure. The failure mileage was approximately 91,000. VIN tool confirms parts not available.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic); however, the part to do the recall repair was unavailable. The local dealer was contacted and confirmed that parts were not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was made aware of the issue. The contact stated that while depressing the brake pedal, the pedal extended to the floorboard, with the message “low brake fluid” displayed. The vehicle was not diagnosed or repaired. The failure mileage was 130,700. VIN tool confirms parts not available.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic); however, the part to do the recall repair was unavailable. The local dealer was contacted, and it was confirmed that the part was not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was made aware of the issue. The contact stated that the brake pedal would extend to the floor while depressed, and the vehicle failed to immediately stop. The vehicle was taken to the local dealer who diagnosed the vehicle and determined that the brake master cylinder and brake booster were faulty and needed to be replaced. The vehicle was not yet repaired. The failure mileage was 60,000. VIN tool confirms parts not available.

Brakes were functional at time of parking SUV. Upon reentering and starting vehicle, the add brake fluid light and alert came on. The brake peddle was non existent with feel. The brake reservoir was empty but no visual leaks from any of the brake calipers or lines were evident. After refilling the brake master cylinder to the full line. The fluid again drained to an unknown location with no visual leaks.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic); however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The local dealer was contacted. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was not made aware of the issue. The contact had not experienced a failure. VIN tool confirms parts not available.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition el. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brake hydraulic); however, the part required for the recall repair was unavailable. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The contact stated that while driving approximately 35 mph, an alarm sounded in the cabin, and the “brake failure” warning light illuminated. The contact depressed the brake pedal, and the brake pedal went to the floorboard. The vehicle coasted to a parking lot where the vehicle came to a stop. The contact inspected the vehicle and noticed there was no brake fluid in the brake fluid reservoir. A person nearby assisted with adding brake fluid to the reservoir. The vehicle was driven to an auto repair shop and coast to a stop. The certified mechanic noticed that the brake fluid reservoir was empty again. The contact stated that the brake reservoir was empty within 2 to 4 minutes. The mechanic confirmed that the brake master cylinder was leaking brake fluid into the brake booster. The vehicle was not repaired. The vehicle was towed to the dealer, whose diagnosed the vehicle and confirmed that the failure was linked to the recall. The vehicle was not repaired. The manufacturer was informed of the failure and referred the contact to the dealer. The manufacturer opened a case; however, the case was closed due to no updates on the availability of the parts. The manufacturer informed the contact that the part could be replaced; however, the parts would be the same parts on the recall. The failure mileage was approximately 227,000.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic). However, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that while driving at 50 mph, the brake pedal was depressed and failed to function as intended. The contact stated that it took the vehicle a while to come to a stop. No warning lights were illuminated. The contact called her local dealer. The vehicle was not diagnosed or repaired. The contact's husband is a mechanic and inspected the brakes and informed the contact that the "regular brakes and pads" looked normal. The contact stated that the failure persisted. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was not made aware of the issue. The failure mileage was unknown.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notifications of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic). However, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that while driving 55 mph, a deer crossed the road. The brake pedal was depressed down to the floorboard; the brake pedal felt soft. The contact was unsure whether there was a warning light illuminated. The vehicle came to a stop after a short distance. The driver’s and passenger’s side air bags did not deploy. The contact was not injured. No police report was filed. The contact drove the vehicle to the residence. The insurance company was notified. The local dealer was not contacted. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was not notified of the failure. The failure mileage was approximately 140,000. VIN tool confirms parts not available.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notifications of NHTSA campaign numbers: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic) and 25v572000 (back over prevention). However, the part to do the recall repair on the rearview camera was not yet available. The contact stated that the rearview camera displayed a distorted image while the vehicle was in reverse(r). The contact stated that the failure obstructed the driver's visibility, which prevented the driver from safely operating the vehicle. The local dealer was not contacted. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was not made aware of the issue. The failure mileage was approximately 108,000.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated that while driving approximately 15 mph, the brake pedal was depressed, and there was an abnormal whining sound coming from the front driver's side wheel well. The contact had to depress the brake pedal sooner to allow more stopping distance while stopping the vehicle. The contact stated there was no warning light illuminated. The contact stated that the abnormal sound occurred at speeds between 15 and 20 mph. Additionally, the contact stated that the rear-view camera was no longer functioning. The contact stated that the image from the rear-view camera was distorted. The contact had received notifications of NHTSA campaign number: 25v236000 (service brakes, hydraulic) and 25v572000 (back over prevention). The contact called a local dealer and the manufacturer and was advised that parts were not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had advised that the recall for the brake master cylinder, parts were on a national back order, and that the remedy for the rear view camera was also not available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The failure mileage was approximately 120,000.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated while driving at an undisclosed speed, the brake pedal was depressed; however, the vehicle failed to stop as intended. The contact used the parking brake to stop the vehicle. The contact stated that the brake fluid level was checked, and the brake fluid level was low but there were no signs of a brake fluid leak. The vehicle was taken to the dealer however, the cause of the failure was not yet determined. The vehicle was not repaired. The manufacturer was made aware of the failure. The contact was informed that the repair was not covered under NHTSA campaign number: 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulic). The failure mileage was approximately 115,000.

Brake pedal goes to floor, all brake fluid is leaking into an unknown area.

On [xxx], my 2017 Ford Expedition suddenly lost all brake fluid in the master cylinder, where it drained into the brake booster. We had no braking function whatsoever. I filled up with another quart of brake fluid, drained into brake booster as well. The vehicle was towed to the local dealer in lagrange, GA, where the work was completed on 7/8/2024. I was preparing to drive my family home to FL when we noticed the issue. We had to stay an extra night in the hotel. Thank goodness we had not been on the road and were only leaving the hotel. There is already a recall for the same issue, with vehicles made through 1/31/2017. My vehicle, by VIN, was made on 2/3/2017 at the same plant. Ford is refusing to acknowledge the issue. Information redacted pursuant to the freedom of information act (foia), 5 u. S. C. 552(b)(6).

Brake master cylinder rear seal failed and engine vacuum drew all fluid from reservoir into brake booster as vehicle idled in park. Both front and rear brakes were inoperable because one reservoir serves both systems and that reservoir was emptied by engine vacuum. Pedal went to floor with zero brake actuated. At highway speed this would result in a severe accident due to the rapid loss of fluid with no prior change in braking effort. Vehicle could only be slowed with parking brake. Ford dealer service department inspected and confirmed loss of fluid into booster. Brake warning light and low fluid message displayed as reservoir was drained by engine vacuum.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated while driving 60 mph, the brake warning light illuminated. After parking the vehicle, the contact stated that the brake pedal was depressed to the floorboard upon restart the vehicle. Brake fluid was added to the vehicle; however, the failure returned soon after the brake fluid was added. Additional brake fluid was added to the vehicle and the vehicle was taken to the local dealer. The manufacturer was notified of the failure and referred to the contact to the NHTSA hotline. The vehicle was not diagnosed or repaired. The failure mileage was approximately 152,000.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated that while driving at an undisclosed speed with the brake pedal depressed all the way to the floorboard, the vehicle failed to stop. The contact was able to bring the vehicle to a stop by engaging the parking brake. After a visual inspection of the engine compartment, the contact observed that the brake fluid reservoir was empty. After refilling the brake fluid reservoir, the vehicle seemed to return to normal functionality, but the failure quickly recurred the same day. The low brake fluid warning light was illuminated. The vehicle was towed to the dealer, who determined that the master cylinder was leaking brake fluid into the brake booster. The vehicle was not repaired. After investigating the failure, the contact related it to NHTSA campaign number 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulic), but the VIN was not included. The manufacturer was notified of the failure but referred the contact to the NHTSA hotline for assistance. The failure mileage was 89,000.

Near total loss of brakes. Pulled in to a parking spot and brakes very squishy, upon returning brake light was on. No indication of brake fluid on ground. Added approximately 25oz of fluid topping off reservoir, upon returning home (1. 5mi) the pedal travel was much longer than normal, and no fluid remaining in reservoir again. Replaced master cylinder and power booster. Upon removing the power booster was full of oil.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated that while operating the vehicle, the message low brake fluid was displayed. Upon inspection, it was discovered that no brake fluid was present inside the brake fluid reservoir. Later after restarting the vehicle, the warning message reappeared, and the brake pedal extended to the floor while depressed. The vehicle was later towed to the local dealer who diagnosed that the brake master cylinder was faulty and brake fluid leak had leaked into the brake booster. The contact was informed that the brake master cylinder and brake booster needed to be replaced. The vehicle was not yet repaired. The manufacturer was notified of the failure, but no assistance was offered. The contact was informed that the VIN was not included in NHTSA campaign number: 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulic). The contact stated that the vehicle had experienced the failure listed in the recall. The failure mileage was 117,000.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated that while driving at 45 mph, the brake light illuminated on the instrument panel. The contact pulled over to check his brake fluid and discovered that the brake fluid reservoir was empty. After he replenished the brake fluid, the brake fluid warning light appeared again as the brake pedal depressed to the floorboard. Despite the failure, the contact managed to drive home using his emergency brake. The next day, he inspected the vehicle and discovered that the brake master cylinder had allowed brake fluid to leak into the brake booster. Upon investigation, the contact linked his failure to NHTSA campaign number: 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulics). The manufacturer was notified of the failure and informed him that his vehicle was not included in the recall. The vehicle had yet to be repaired. The failure mileage was 104,290 .

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated while driving 25 mph, the brake pedal was depressed, but went down to the floorboard, and the vehicle hesitated to respond. The message "low brake fluid" was displayed. The contact stated that the failure recurred while driving. The vehicle was taken to a Chevrolet dealer, where it was diagnosed that the brake master cylinder was leaking brake fluid into the brake booster. The dealer diagnosed that the brake master cylinder and the brake booster needed to be replaced. The vehicle was not repaired. The contact related the failure to NHTSA campaign number: 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulic). The local Ford dealer was notified of the failure and informed the contact that the VIN was not included in the recall. The manufacturer was not notified of the failure. The failure mileage was approximately 48,000.

While driving down the highway, the low brake fluid light sounded and the brake light came on . We slowly loss brakes while driving down the hwy. We added brake fluid, which there was no brake fluid in there at all . When we added the fluid, we pump the brakes and they tighten . Shortly after adding more fluid , the fluid and brakes were gone and white smoke came out of the tail pipe. We never could see exactly where it was leaking at. We added about a quart and a half of fluid . After adding the more fluid, we managed to get it up to the dealership where it was purchased . We explain to what was going on and he knew of the situation because he said it was a recall last year on the master cylinder if I’m saying it, right. I told him that we never received a recall letter but we left the vehicle and he did research by our VIN number, and said we were not part of the recall, but I read a recall number 22s14 about the break failure in Expeditions. We called the local number attached to the recall and they once again told us that our vehicle was not part of the recall because I guess it was not out of the kentucky plant . We are having the same issue with our brakes, but it’s not covered in the current recall. My vehicle is currently in the shop and waiting to be repaired. Can someone research and see if our vehicle can be part of the recall now and be repaired under the/a recall. Thank you.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated while driving 50 mph, the low brake fluid message flashed on the instrument panel. As the contact attempted to depress the brake pedal, the pedal depressed to the floorboard. Due to the failure, the contact applied the parking brake and pulled off to the shoulder. As traffic cleared, the contact pulled into the parking lot of his employment where the vehicle parked. The manufacturer was notified of the failure, and the contact was informed that there were no open recalls or warranty on the vehicle. Upon investigation, the contact discovered NHTSA campaign number: 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulics) which he linked to the failure. The vehicle had yet to be repaired. The failure mileage was approximately 123,000.

In December we took our vehicle in for a scheduled recall repair. Upon installation, we were told by the dealer that all parts were not available. So they released our vehicle back to us. No follow up between and on March 17, the braking system failed. An accident was narrowly avoided.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact stated while driving 45 mph around a curvy road, the brake pedal became stiff, the contact pressed the brake pedal desperately causing the brake pedal to operate normally. The contact also notice that two unknown brake warning lights illuminated. The vehicle was taken to the dealer for diagnoses, and they stated that the vehicle was experiencing similar failure as NHTSA campaign number: 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulic), but that the vehicle was not included under the recall. The manufacturer was contacted, and they also stated that the vehicle was not under NHTSA campaign number: 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulic), and advised to contact NHTSA and file a complaint. The failure mileage was 70,000.

The recall has not been fixed. Winner Ford, dover DE 19901, still does have the part for the brake master cylinder. The other recall for the fan and blower has been fixed but it went bad last year 2021 and I had it repaired using at winner Ford, dover DE 19901 and paid $100 deducted using my extended warranty. I inquired today October 17, 2022 at winner Ford service department, dover DE 19901 to have the $100 refunded. I feel that it should be refunded especially since there is still no remedy and it could go bad again.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign numbers: 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulic) and 22v648000 (visibility, electrical system); however, the parts to do the recall repair were not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The contact stated that while coming to a complete stop, the temperature gauge was high. The vehicle then overheated. The vehicle was taken to an independent mechanic, who replaced the water pump and auxiliary pump; however, the failure recurred. The dealer was made aware of the failure but confirmed that parts for the recall repair were not yet available. The vehicle was not repaired. The manufacturer was made aware of the failure. The failure mileage was approximately 96,000. Parts distribution disconnect.

My brake fluid is low warning light came on and I checked it and my brake fluid was completely empty there was no apparent leaking from anywhere within eye sight. I refilled it and a week later the same thing happened. Then I get a letter in the mail saying there is a recall about leaking break fluid and no dealer ship in my area has any availability within a reasonable amount of time. I have two kids and work full time I cannot go without a vehicle and I do not feel save driving it my breaks stopped working due to the leaking fluid which is Fords fault.

The contact owns a 2017 Ford Expedition. The contact received notification of NHTSA campaign number: 22v648000 (visibility, electrical system) and 22v150000 (service brakes, hydraulic). The contact stated that while driving at undisclosed speeds, he noticed a burning odor throughout the vehicle and that the wiring harness would only operate if the wiring in the harness was pressed. Additionally, the contact stated that the blower motor failed, and the back-up camera was distorted and was inoperable. The system failed warning light illuminated. The contact also stated that the vehicle was taken to the dealer for the recall repairs however, a system update and control module was replaced with a temporary part but failed again. The vehicle was not repaired. The manufacture was notified of the failure and the contact was informed that parts were anticipated to be available by the fourth quarter of 2023. The failure mileage was approximately 60,000. VIN tool confirms parts not unavailable.

On 8/15/22 I was driving when all of a sudden my brake pedal went all the way to the floor, the braking system dash light chimed and lit up a warning, and the dash read low brake fluid. I pulled over with almost zero brakes, was able to add a bottle of brake fluid. I was able to limp the car home and when I got there again no brake fluid and all warning lights on again. We added another bottle of brake fluid and let the car sit. After an hour we went back and started the car and got the same warnings. We popped the hood and again zero brake fluid, even though we have added 2 bottles. There was nothing visibly leaking. We were able to get the car a mechanic that verified there is a leak in the master cylinder and it needs to be replaced along with the brake booster. The vehicle is available for inspection. There is a recall on this model truck for the same problem but I was told my vehicle was built 10 days past the date allowed in the recall. Having this happen with no warning was extremely dangerous given that I had almost no braking power. It was a challenge moving the car off the road and back home. I had no indication anything was wrong prior to 8/15/22 until the pedal went to the floor that day. Vehicle has only been inspected by my mechanic.

Brake master cylinder began leaking and filled the brake booster with fluid. Vehicle lost all ability to brake while driving down road. Took to dealership as I believe it should be included in existing recall for same issue. They repaired the issue with a new master cylinder and brake booster. But I paid for it as I was told it isn’t included in recall.

Brake master cylinder is allowing brake fluid to leak. I almost rear ended someone because out of nowhere, the brake alert light and chime came on, then the brake petal went “soft”and I had to literally had to push ut to the floor for my Expedition to stop. It is in the shop now being repaired.